Welcome To Rome To Home

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Hi, I'm Alexa.

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And I'm Rory. And together we are the Roamies. We're a husband-wife duo and longtime travelers who believe travel isn't just about where you go. It's about how it shapes the way you live when you get home.

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On the Roamies podcast, we explore where to travel, how to travel, and why to travel. Through our lens of creativity, wellness, and everyday life.

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We're calling it this season Rome to Home. As we travel near and far, we're sharing the ways we bring inspiration home. Fruit to food, daily rituals, business and design ideas, and the renovation of our historic picture upload.

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It's all about making travel tangible, livable, and meaningful long after the trip ends.

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So whether you're planning your next adventure or reimagining the life you're building at home, you're in the right place.

H Is For Happy Place

Flashback Travel Memories That Spark Joy

What Makes A Memory Feel Happy

Healthy Habits For Travel Days

Bringing Happy Place Into Your Home

Meet Robin Chuby Of Life Of Glow

Late Snow And Garden Restlessness

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Now, let's get into today's episode. Hi everyone! We are so excited to have you join us for this episode, this very fun episode, because this is H is for happy place. And it kind of also is H for hometown because I grew up in New Mexico, and we want to say a huge thanks to the New Mexico Department of Agriculture's New Mexico Grown with Tradition and New Mexico's Taster Tradition logo program, along with Hatch Chili Store. So they are sponsoring today's episode, and it excites me so much because I get to share with you some fun things that bring hometown and happy place to me. We've got two interviews with you on this episode. So I will try to be brief before we jump into those. But when we think about our happy place, you know, for me and for Rory, our faith is the source of our joy. And that can stay constant regardless of the circumstance, right? But it's usually the circumstances that bring or dictate what makes us feel happy. And I will find myself having these moments throughout the day where all of a sudden I feel like I'm sort of like transported to this happy place in Switzerland or this happy moment that happened on a trip. Sometimes they're just random. It will pop in my brain. I'll have this really cool memory. And all of a sudden, I just get this warm fuzzy. And one of the main places that gives me warm fuzzies is Switzerland. Rory and I talk about Switzerland a lot. It really is our favorite go-to. When anyone asks us our favorite, it's Switzerland. So that would be probably our ultimate happy place that we continue to go to and just find that we love. Another place that we've only been to once is Oceanside Oregon. That trip for some reason was a like so happy place for me. And I will what I'll do is I will put show notes to episodes that correlate to these happy places because a lot of them we've already talked about. But yeah, Oceanside Oregon. Wow, such a great place. We went to Kauai in Hawaii. That was amazing. That is a happy place. I keep having little flash memory, happy place memories, moments to that. And along that tropical vibe, we got to go to Belize with Serenian Bay, and that is a happy place. I also keep going back to Moray Spaceide. Even though we had been to Scotland, lots of new experiences that were really happy. Of course, living in LA, I loved living in LA. So I get so many happy memories from LA and then getting to do like day trips randomly up to Santa Barbara. That is another happy place for me. I got to go to San Diego as a kid. I still have a memory of just walking in a neighborhood in San Diego. We were doing a church choir trip and we got to perform at SeaWorld in San Diego. And I had a solo. I sang the 50 states in rhyme, Alabama, and Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, et cetera. And then at the end, I got to back handspring into the splits and go, yay! And so that was my solo that I got to do on our youth church choir trip to San Diego. That was fun when I think about it, but it's somehow just being in the neighborhood and staying at a local family's home. And, you know, that was the happy place. I also got to go on a trip to Arizona with my mom. We don't have a podcast episode about this, but my mom loves houses. And so for one of her birthdays, she and I did a girl trip to Arizona, and we got to, it was like a home tour. And so we got to walk through all of these vast giant homes in like Scottsdale, Arizona. So it was not only the architecture that my mom loves and designs herself, but we got to just go through all of these very cool houses. But at the hotel, mom and I went and hung out by the pool. And having that moment with her is a happy place for me because that's something we never do. Another really, really happy place for me was when I had a record deal and they were putting me on uh tours. So being able to tour on a tour bus and have my little tiny bunk bed, my little tiny space in a tour bus is just such a happy place. And so it wouldn't matter where we went. It was the fact that I was on tour and I was getting to perform night after night after night. And the way that our life has been lately, it's just been more like what we call one-offs. So we might do a gig here and we might do a gig there. But having that tour, that tour bus is just so fun. And so what I really connect with is like RV travel. And when we got to tour, MJ and Victor's camper van that they renovated, we did a live with them and they gave us a sneak peek tour of their camper van. And I was just drooling. It was Sony. And we're going to be doing an upcoming episode about Road Surfer. And we're going to get to share with you about their amazing camper vans, RVs, all of that kind of stuff. And so I am just like chomping in the bit to get that out to you. Just being in like a camper van RV and traveling that way, that's a happy place for me for sure. Travel can offer so many beautiful views. And for me, scenery is such a big happy place because we listen to a lot of audiobooks. Sometimes when I get into a very good story, that story takes me to a happy place. Sometimes it's the views and the scenery. Sometimes it's just the open sky. Sometimes my happy place. And sometimes I wonder, okay, why do I get these flashback memories of these specifics? Was it the view and or was it, did I feel more free with my schedule? Did I feel a little more free to be in the moment and not be worrying about all the things that I don't have finished on my to-do list? Like, was it a mental state? Was the relationship status in a really good place? Did I feel better with my body image? Was I more in shape? Did I pack things that really made me feel cute and fashionable and fun? Or I packed the perfect bag. It was like the perfect size and I had everything I needed, but it wasn't heavy. Whatever it could be, it may or may not matter the location itself and the destination itself. And you can't recreate every happy moment that you've had. But if you can think back, what would that feeling be like for you now in this season of your life? In your happy place, in your happy moments, for you, your happy place might be the relationships that get fostered during that travel experience. Were you just happy yourself? So it wouldn't have mattered where you were. You just happened to be in a place where you were happy. Or was it the place or the destination that made you happy? I think it's fun and also important to think about those things because we need our happiness and our joy to help sustain us because life is hard, life is difficult. And it's really nice when we can go to those happy places, those happy moments that are truly lasting and truly important. You know, a lot of trips cost money and time and sacrifice. And we we put a lot of energy into taking a trip. And so when it creates those happy moments for us, there's there's a reward and there's a feeling of satisfaction. And that boosts our mood and that boosts our day and helps us be better people. Our life is more fun and we're more fun to be around. So it's important to think about those happy places. And since we're on our H episode, I thought I would share some H is for habits that can create help us create a haven anywhere. And a lot of them are habits that are gonna keep you healthy. So H is also for healthy, right? Because for us, that is just one key factor that we love to emphasize here. And so always have health first. Make sure that you continue to like even when you're traveling, these are your how these are your habits that you want to have, right? So health first, you want to move your body, whether that's quick stretching, taking walks in your new destination before driving all day, getting a good little workout in your hotel room. H is for hydrate. So then you want to hydrate, you want to drink water first thing, drink it all throughout the day, especially on days where you're going to encounter jet lag. You want to be hydrating before, during, and after. Herbs. Take your tea or your supplements, your set, your essential oils, your fresh herbs, all of that help you feel grounded and bring you healthy. Your healthy fuel bring foods that keep you feeling good on the go. That's why you'll hear from on the go food brands from us on a travel podcast, because we think it's important that you have some healthy go-to options that taste good. And, you know, you can also include your hatch green chili snacks and include that in your travel meals. I'm gonna be telling you about this very cool hatch chili seasoning. You can take that with you and bring up the spice and the happy and the happy feel-good moments. It's gonna be really good. How about the habit of hush? Build in quiet moments. Maybe that's prayer, meditation, journaling, deep breaths, just simply putting your phone away, taking some you time in the mornings. Uh, for us, that might be writing, reading our Bible, having prayer time, that kind of thing. But just like those hush moments, moments where you can just be quiet. That is an important habit to keep you having a happy place on the road. Hours of sleep, as much as you want to go, go, go and do, do, do, is still important to protect your rest, even while you're traveling. And as much as we want you to travel light, home touches could be another habit that maybe there is something from home that you bring that makes you feel a little more happy. That might be a certain thermos or a sweatshirt or a small little picture. If you need that something from home that helps ground you and makes you feel happy, then maybe that's worth adding to the suitcase. Your habit for your habitat is when you can, try to quickly set up your hotel room, your camper, or your rental so that it feels welcoming to you and you can feel kind of settled in. And then find some hidden gems. Seek out one place on every trip that becomes your little haven and happy place. And lastly, a habit of human connection. Make time for the people who make you feel at home. Make time to reach out and meet new people, learn from them, see what they have to show you and share with you and teach you on your trips. That human connection is going to definitely deepen not only your travel efforts, but also continue to take you to that happy place. And of course, because travel is what inspires our home and we bring our roam to home. So, how do you create a happy place at home? One, create collages of happy place moments. Think about when you have a happy moment or you go to a happy place in your mind. Try to grab that snapshot in your mind and create a physical version of that. Now, with all the AI tool tools, you could have AI create, recreate that for you. Maybe it's a picture you can use, find a magazine, find something on Pinterest, but start creating a collage of those happy place moments and memories that come to you. Once you have them all together and you're looking at them all together side by side, you're gonna start to see a theme and a pattern of like, oh, wow, every single one of these pictures, every single one of these memories includes a sunset, or they include pineapple, or they include a hiking trail. Whatever, whatever that is, I think sometimes it might not be obvious until you have those visuals right in front of you. If you don't have a way to create visuals, you could always journal and then start to look for make just have a my happy place journal and write those things down every time a cool memory comes to mind. And then look that over. What are the commonalities? And then if you realize, okay, it's always a sunset that makes me happy, then that would then be like in a practical sense, which if you're doing home renovation like we are, that might inspire what paint color you choose. Because now you're gonna choose a sunset hue for your wall in your bedroom. And when you go to bed, you're gonna see this beautiful sunset color that's just gonna take you to a happy place. So those happy moments can translate in practical ways into your renovation. For me, also, a ready to receive me office is a happy place that I don't find very often in a clean, uncluttered space in my home. Those are those are happy places I strive for. I want to maximize my time and be efficient. And when I can be more clean, more uncluttered, more simplified, more efficient, that is definitely a happy place for me. So that's where for me it applies. So I hope that inspires you with your own home. And now I'm so excited to introduce you to our special guest for this episode because she has further great practical insight on how to enhance your happy space in your home. And you're gonna learn all about her happy place, and we hope that it inspires you. Here's Robin Chuby. Hi, thanks for having me. You're welcome. So, y'all, if y'all may or may not know, but I do have an organic loose leaf tea line. And so I was attending this online herbalism conference, and that is how I ran across Robin. And so I am just getting to be familiar with her and like all of the fun things she's doing, but that's kind of the connection and how I found her. And so as we dive in with H and Happy Place, I just thought she has like the happy place, and then also she is like really knowledgeable about different herbs and gardening and all of those beautiful things. And so, Robin, I'm just so excited to just dive into a conversation with you.

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I have a lot of questions for you, but what we were supposed to get together earlier today, and we couldn't because we had a crazy bit of weather, and I know that so many people across North America are experiencing crazy weather right now, all through the Midwest, they're getting crazy flooding near Michigan and Wisconsin. But we, up here being colder, got um a crazy torrential rain that turned into an ice storm that turned into snow, which by the morning had completely solidified my chicken door. So I had to do a rescue mission. So when I went to let my chickens out this morning so they can eat and get their water and all of their stuff, before I could meet you, I actually had to perform a little bit of a search and rescue party to uh open their chicken door to their run. So that was a lot of fun. Um you never know how the weather's going to be out up here, but we're, I mean, we're almost into May and still snow on the ground.

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So yeah, it's 84 degrees here in Waco. Like I can't relate. I don't want to hear it. You're telling me snow off of your snow and ice off of your chicken coop. And I'm like, it's really hot outside.

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Yeah, I had to start the car twice. My car was like an inch or like half an inch of ice across the whole entire thing. Wow. It's a little ice car. Yeah, not uh not ideal. And it just is depressing too because I love gardening. My happy place is the garden. And currently all of my seedlings are in my living room. They should be in my greenhouse right now, my my extra special happy place. And I just I can't walk them outside. There's just, it's far too cold. Like they will not make the trip from my house across the yard into the greenhouse. I have to wait till we have a really nice day. So they've been taunting us and teasing us, saying every week it's next week. But next week it looks like I will actually be able to get into my greenhouse happy place and get my plants out of my house so that my family can go back to enjoying this as a normal living space, not a whole grow operation happening.

Acreage Life And Daily Rhythm

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Well, I'm sure that your how your home would be a place of transition because you have so many projects going on, and and I'm mostly familiar with what I see on your Instagram and all of the beautiful, amazing ideas and inspiration you have there. But I know you do so much more. So tell us where you are and how you spend your time, what does your day-to-day look like?

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Great. So I am in Manitoba, Canada, and I am basically like six hours directly north of Minneapolis. So if you went straight like straight up from Minneapolis in a little bit of a little bit of a uh of a curve, you would end up in uh Winnipeg, which is the capital city of Manitoba. And I'm just in a little town right on the outside of Winnipeg. So I'm actually 20 minutes to downtown from my acreage here. So kind of uh country living, but I can also be, you know, right in the city at any moment's notice. So it's really the best of both worlds. As far as my day-to-day, it's it's a little bit crazy in the springtime. Uh, I pretty much get up, I turn on all of my plants that are in my living room, as I said, and then I water all of my seedlings and my everything I've started in the house. And I've got onions that are on the floor in front of the patio doors, I've got dahlias in pots in front of the windows. Like it's it's really uh it's a little bit of an adventure right now. But this is short-lived. Then I go in and put the water into my chicken incubator because uh it has to stay at a certain humidity. So it's watering the plants, then I water my incubator, and then I take my kids to school and then come back and usually plan out my day, whether I'm, you know, doing uh creating some content for my Instagram or if I'm, you know, baking or harvesting or doing whatever it is that I'm doing in the kitchen for our family, and then yeah, maintaining the house and walking my dog and yeah, right writing, making little recipes, jotting down gardening content. It's a very creative, creative-filled day, but every day is kind of different. And then my daughter's in dance, so I might be also downtown at a dance competition. So, how many kids do you have? I have two kids. I have a daughter who is 14, and my son will be 12 in June. And uh, so they're getting to be quite independent, which is just wonderful. They love to participate and help out, but then they'll also, you know, if I need to just go about my day, they're at a great age where they'll just, you know, do their thing and I do my thing. So it's been quite nice because when we started this crazy acreage adventure, they were four and six. So they were, you know, kind of in tow.

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But yeah, they're great. Very fun. And so they're they're helping you out in your garden when you ask them. And are they are they kind of in? When I pay them.

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When you pay them.

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It's not something that's passionate about.

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So my son, my son is actually really great. Like he loves to be outside, he'll shovel, he'll work, but they're at that age now where it's like, you know, mom, what's in it for me? You want me to come and work for you? What's in it for me? So, well, I mean, sometimes it's a trade, you know, like take you to Starbucks or take you out to like, you know, go and buy them some kind of treat. But generally, there has to be some sort of bribe involved right now. Or and I, you know what's so funny is like I my parents were very big gardeners. They we had A seasonal plant stand, like my dad did market gardening. So we sold plants in the spring. They did market gardening and sold, like he grew tons of specialty peppers and stuff and squashes and sold them to different places. So I was often like the labor, like he would force us, me and my brother, just like my kids, to go and work. And you know, they I hated it. Like I was like, I will never garden. And now I have triple the amount of gardens that my parents had. So it's just so funny how I tell my kids that all the time, oh, you don't like it now. But wait, when you get older, you're gonna return to this. You're not gonna think you will, but you will, because it's just such a feel-good. And I don't know what happens if it's something, you know, you just get to a certain age and you go, This is just so wonderful. Cause even my husband loves being out in the garden, loves helping. He's my he is my main laborer and helps me with all the big projects and the heavy lifting and all the soil shoveling, mulch shoveling. There's a lot. So uh, but uh, but yeah, every everyone helps out, but the kids definitely there's they want to know what's in it for them now. And that's totally fine with me because I get it, because I felt exactly the same at their age.

Building A Backyard That Tells Stories

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Yeah, yeah. So how big is your farm and what all are you growing there? And are you, I assume you're growing year round.

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Um, no, no, because we're in, like I said, we're in uh Manitoba. So it is the winter here is crazy. It is from probably about like November till now, snow, and throughout the the worst part of the winter, it's like think North Dakota, like minus 40 for extended periods of time. So nothing is growing outside. So our gardening season here is fast and furious. We also get really, because of how far north we are, we get like 16, 17 hours of sunlight every day. So like the sun is up at five in the morning and it's still not dark out at like 11 o'clock at night. Like it'll just be getting dark for a certain amount of time. And because of that, our plants grow really, really fast. So I start everything inside, undergrow lights, all of my seedlings, everything is like the tomatoes, the peppers. I grow squash, cucumbers, artichokes. I've got all kinds of, well, there's lots of perennial veggies like berries and stuff like that that are growing and um and asparagus, and we plant garlic all in the fall. So that stays under mulch all winter, that comes up in the spring. Um, then we plant potatoes and you name it, but everything kind of starts inside, and then like first week of June, I just start planting and I plant for like two weeks straight, nonstop, all day. Get everything planted in. And then we have about like June, July, August into September, sometimes early October for everything to grow, and then it's harvest time, and then the whole garden shuts down by the end of October and we're done. Okay. Yeah. Okay. We're on five acres here. I have some lots of in-ground garden space, like where we grow our potatoes and the corn, big, you know, the big kind of crops that go right into the ground. Then I have 65 four by eight raised beds that are for all of my flowers and pumpkins and things throughout the yard and my tea gardens. And I've got just a whole bunch of little different sections through the yard. So kind of when you walk through my yard, you know, if you started in the front of the house, it kind of goes like in a big loop. So you would go to like the greenhouse where there's like roses and perennials and flowers and baskets, and you know, a beautiful seating area in the summertime when the plants move out. And then you can go kind of around, and there's like a little bridge that has um, I've got a little pond that we filled in because of the pine trees, and that has um big peonies and delphiniums. And then you walk through the big raised bed veggie garden, and in there is where we have tomatoes and peppers and tons of edible flowers, my carrots, peas, radishes in the spring that I transfer over and then ends up being some other edible flowers after they get harvested, chives, leeks. Then you go around and you come to another garden, and that's my tea garden and my medicinals garden. So in there is all sorts of different herbs and just edible florals and medicinal plants, tea plants like lemon balm, chamomile, fever few, all sorts of different things in there. And then you leave there and you walk around to the back, and in the back is where the pumpkin patch is, and we have a little golf hole. That's about a 70-yard golf hole that my husband put in because we loved golf. And then we have all of my cutting beds for my flowers, potatoes are around the other side with the corn and some in-ground rows of zinnias and different cut flowers. And then you come around to the chicken coop and there's other sort of gardens, and it sort of goes in this big loop. So around every one of those spots is little seating and little spots that you can kind of, you know, go on a little tour in uh just in my on my acreage, and it's just the best. Amazing.

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That is a happy place.

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It is a happy place, it's all a happy place.

Tours Workshops And Flower Bouquets

SPEAKER_02 27:04

Wow. I'm sure like that is a happy place for you, but can people come visit, or are you growing things and you sell to farmers markets, or is it pretty much just for your family?

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So in the greenhouse, I actually do some workshops. I'll do floral workshops. This year I'm actually planning on doing quite a few more. Up until this year, we were really like we were putting in a lot of infrastructure. And this is the first year where kind of like everything is done. So this year is more refining. I'm gonna be like restaining some garden beds and building a few other little things. But now this year, I'm is actually focused a lot more on doing um hosting some garden tours. Um, I've got a couple of larger ones that are gonna be on the property so where people can come hang out all evening, chat with me about the garden, see everything. I sell bouquets all summer long. So I have people constantly, you know, they'll message me and say, Can you get me a bouquet by I just need 24 hours notice kind of thing? And then I will have people drop in and come pick up flowers for, you know, whatever, whoever they're buying for. And they'll give me, you know, let's say, like, oh, I want pinks or I want whites, and I'll just have some fun and say what's in season. Um, and then a couple of event planners buy for me as well as a couple of florists. So depending on what I have, they'll message and say, like, oh, what do you got? And I'll just cut a whole bunch and take it out. And then the workshops, which are floral workshops, um, I do like some gardening workshops where I teach um gardening things and uh or show someone how to make arrangements, talk about cut flowers. Yeah, so it's like it's a dual purpose. And then I I share a ton with my friends and with my family, whether it's, you know, our eggs or our harvests, you know, when stuff starts to come in an abundance, I do a lot of gifting. And then, of course, from my Instagram, I do a ton of stuff in the garden where I am creating ideas and sharing ideas for people on, you know, how to um make beautiful gifts for people and hosting and uh recipes, of course, in my book, on my cookbook that came so much came from the garden. And then in the fall, we are in harvest mode and we store all the potatoes that we eat all the way through the rear till April, all of the garlic we eat till April, all of the onions we eat till April, carrots fresh in the fridge until you know, around March. Usually we have that winter squash, so just a ton of canning, tomato, uh, tomato sauce for uh pickles, all that kind of stuff. So we're just really loading up all of our cold rooms and our pantries so that we have food to last us throughout the year, which is so important right now, too, with food insecurity.

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Wow. That is incredible. So it sounds like that if someone is traveling to Manitoba, that you would be a fun stop to come in and attend a workshop. And, you know, absolutely if you're curating a trip up to Canada, this could be a really fun uh entryway. So would people just visit your website to find out when those are gonna be available?

SPEAKER_03 30:09

So if you're looking for information on how to find me here, you can go to prairieglowacres.com. That is my website, and that is where I have all of my workshops and garden tours listed. Anytime after May 1st is really when I have everything in, because that's how I kind of judge by the weather where I'm gonna be at in the next few weeks. So May 1st is after May 1st, PrairieGlowacres.com is the place to look for what I'm doing here. And I do book a bunch of privates as well. So there are workshops in there that people can book kind of on demand. So if they're wanting to stop in and just book a garden tour, just pop me an email and let me know.

SPEAKER_02 30:45

So you are a travel destination on your own. Hearing you talk about all of this, just like you've talked about, I want our yard to tell a story and to kind of have little take you on a little journey. And I love that you have you've set that up. Our garden will be magical once we get it renovated. We have this beautiful gazebo, we have all of these little like little seating areas. Yeah. That could be a whole conversation of like, how do you set up a little journey in your backyard, you know? But Rory and I, because we travel so much, it just is not practical for us to be garden people. And we want a beautiful yard. It's fun. I have catnip growing for my cats, and that's their happy place. And they will go out and just roll in it and be happy and eat, you know, take little bites off of it. And so we made a little happy place for the cats. And yeah, so I have little seedlings that I planted. One completely died, and then the rest seem to be doing okay. But okay, we're gonna be gone uh over the summer when things are the most fun, I guess, for gardening and stuff like that. But it sounds like since you're kind of shut down for the winter, is that kind of a a time that you feel like you can get away and travel and maybe go to like Florida or smoothie?

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Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

So fun, a fun, fun story for you. My mom and I in 2019, we drove to Waco right after we finished harvesting. My mom and I popped in my vehicle. We drove down to Waco because we wanted to go to Magnolia Market and we wanted to do a bunch of antiquing on the way. So, yeah, we so my harvest time essentially it ends like, like I said, end of September kind of thing. So right at the end of September, we harvested most of everything. We drove to Waco. It takes two days to get there. We drove for two days down there. I met my friend from California. She met me there with her mom. Uh, we did a few days there and then turned around and drove back. And it was right before you guys got crazy storms. You had like all through, there was like the wildest tornado season. We had just left. Like we saw they were coming and we were like, oh, we gotta get out of here. So we have to do that.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

They called it Snowvid. They called it Snowvid. Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:01

So that was like, yeah, right, right. It was just a wild trip. But we love, we loved Waco. We had a lot of fun there. I love it. So you get so creative with what you're growing. So experimenting like gardening is one of those things like I am not done learning. I've been gardening for 25 years. I've had gardens every year since I first moved out of my parents' house and my first home. And I can still say every year, like I'm learning something new. I'm tweaking every year where things go and how things are.

SPEAKER_02 33:32

And well, the creative in me kind of likes hearing that because it's kind of like that gives me freedom as a creative person to just try something and it be okay that it's not perfect. Or hey, if your tomato plants don't grow over there, they don't grow over there, you know.

SPEAKER_03 33:50

But like just they're not animals, so it doesn't matter. Oh, I messed up with that one, I'll just get another one, you know. They're fine. So how I like to do it the best, and I I don't know if maybe it's because that I'm a photographer and that's just my thing. But every year I just go around my yard at the beginning all through, like I call them my garden walks, where I just go with my camera and I photograph all my gardens around so that I can see at the end of the season how it looked when I started it, how it ended. So, like if something ended up too wild or too crowded, then I know, okay, at the beginning I planted too much. And my father-in-law always says plants have suitcases, so you can move them. So if all of a sudden, like there's uh some you can't, some of alone taproot like a sunflower, but typically like a pepper plant or anything, if it's early and you see, oh, I've planted way too much here, I'm seeing it really grow too much. You can just dig all around and just plop it somewhere else. Like, um, same thing with your flowers. If they if you notice, okay, things are looking, you know, sparse, or you put a few more in and then make a little note or take a photo and say, like, okay, next year I'm gonna start this like this. Um, dahlias are one of my favorite flowers. I adore them. It took me five spots before they would grow in my yard. I planted them in one spot one year, didn't work. I planted in another spot the next year, didn't work until I found in the front that's where they like it. So yeah, it's it's all an experiment. It's all create, like just have fun with it. Don't try and judge yourself too hard and it and then like every gardener you say it's gonna be better next year. That's next time.

Learning DIY By Using Power Tools

SPEAKER_02 35:30

Lots of patience and persistence and hope. And I love that you have like on your Instagram that you provide like DIY things and you're always having a project go on, and like gardening, I feel like is one little hat that you wear. And you know, and you you just turn something that's already beautiful into something practical and beautiful and useful and beautiful. And that's really kind of fun. And affordable, because I I like to I don't like to spend a lot of money on. Yeah. You know, I would love to just hear about a little bit some of your DIY projects that you've done or that you are wanting to do, or what inspired you to get out there with your tools and just try stuff.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

Well, what inspired me to start my tools actually is the fact that I hate waiting. And I my husband was my guy. I was like, hey, you know, I want to build this. Like, we're I need you to. And eventually one day I came home and said, you know, how hard is it to use this miter saw? And he kind of side-eyed me and went, Why? Like, because I think I just want to build things. Like, I think I just want to, I have ideas, I want to make them. And I feel like if I just knew how to do it, I would just go to it and I would stop bugging you and giving you a hard time. And so he showed me how to use the miter saw one day, and I was very nervous. Like, they're so intimidating. And I mean, I was 40, so I had not ever used tools, power tools, aside from maybe a drill or like a hand sander ever. Right. And I went, that's it. Like, I just I want to build things and I want to do this. And so once I started doing it and I got over that initial like fear of the actual machine, right, and gave myself a minute to like get used to using it. Then all of a sudden, my mind was like, okay, now I can start really building things and finding ways to do them, you know, faster, easier. Because a lot of times too, I'll find tutorials to make something and I'll be like, I don't want to go through all this. It's gonna take me a week to make it like this. And so then I'll start to brainstorm. You know, I have like an obelisk tutorial, obelisk tutorial on my uh Instagram that's been it's gone viral a few times and it's like millions of views. People just love it because it's super fast and it's super simple, and it's not made to the sp specifications of something that you know is going to last 50 years, but it's a it's a trellis you're putting outside in your garden. So I mean, they aren't meant to last that long, anyways. So I knew I knew I wanted to have like a dozen of them. So I wanted to find a really easy way. So a lot of my DIYs are that I just I want to get something done, I want it to look a certain way. To be to have it made for me or to buy it will cost me an absolute fortune. And so to make things is just so much more affordable if you have the tools and the time. It's it's not hard. So that's why I love to say now to anyone, you know, if I can do this, you can do this because I have never done this in my life. I'm just winging it. And just like the gardening, when I run into a snag or I feel see that something isn't working, I just think, okay, like what do I do now to fix this? So when I was building my chicken coop run, and again, like I'd never done this before, I sat there and thought about it and thought about it, and I like almost started to cry because I was like, I don't know what I'm doing. These chickens need to get out, they need a spot. And I just thought, you know what? I'm just gonna start building it. I'm gonna build a wall and build another wall and build a top, and then I'm gonna figure out what to do next. And next thing you know, in a few days, I had the chicken run built. And it was like, okay, this isn't, it's not, you know, it's not a doctor. I'm not performing surgery. That doesn't have to be that precise. Right. There's a lot more heavy pressure around it. No, like it doesn't have to be perfect. It's mine. It's not for someone else. I'm not selling it. If I don't do it quite perfect, I can make it again later and fix the mistakes that I made this time. But typically everything turns out pretty darn good. So I feel like you what's what do you have to lose, right? Just, you know, pick up a tool, try a new skill, and really just, you know, give yourself permission to fail. And if once you do that, that's the worst that's gonna happen. You're gonna try to build it, and maybe you have to buy another piece of wood. That's it.

SPEAKER_02 39:50

And in doing that, you learn new skills for the next thing that you want to create into your home. So you learn from those mistakes and make it easier.

SPEAKER_03 39:59

Oh, I didn't do this right. Mm-hmm.

A Livable Home Without Perfection

SPEAKER_02 40:01

Yeah, yeah. Now, so you have the garden things, you put gardens, you put plants in your house so they grow. You have your DIY projects, you have like cooking. We uh in our previous episode, we we uh sh showcased quickly your book Gather Together. You want to show us real quick for the video? Yay, it's so beautiful, beautiful, beautiful. Gather together. Thank you. And love that. And so you also have like the whole kitchen cooking, making cool recipes. You have all of these different projects. And so all of they they all kind of relate and they tie together. But I want to know how is do you keep your house clean with all of that? Because I know for me, when I I have 600 projects as well, they're completely different than what you're doing. But I for me, the way I want to work is I want to have the project out and I don't want to put it away until I feel like it's done. But then I start 60 other projects, and then so you have 600 projects that are just cluttering up your life and your brain and your space, and then nothing gets done, right? So that's kind of something I've learned how I would tend to, I have to kind of like course correct my brain to not work that way because that's not very effective. So I disagree.

SPEAKER_03 41:26

I that's exactly how I work. Okay, awesome. I'm the worst, I'm I'm gonna be the worst enabler for you here because that's totally fine. We'll start. I I'm not I'm not gonna be any help for you. I my house is I I joke that one space is beautifully clean at all times. One so like maybe the kitchen is clean, but the living room's not. Maybe the living room is totally tidy, but the my office is blown up. I just, you know what? I'm like, if I can have one space and like the entryway to our house be clean every day, then that's good enough. You know, if I'm working in my workshop, it's it's gonna be blown up. Yeah. So it's okay. And nobody, I mean, if someone is, if I'm having, if I'm hosting and people are coming over, then I will plan that, you know, maybe the week before to get all of my spaces tidied up so that I have a beautiful spot to relax to host in. Because if my place is blown up when I'm hosting, I'm not relaxed. Right. So I feel I feel anxious, you know, bringing people into that. So I'll usually plan, you know, like let's say if it's going to be Mother's Day or whatever, like the week before that, that's my week to clean up all of my stuff to really wrap up a bunch of projects I've been working on, you know, be intentional about getting things cleaned up. Then I host the next day, place is blown up again, and that's okay because our homes are meant to live in and to work in and to enjoy. And uh I mean, for for me, at the cost of having a perfect spotless house at all times, that would mean I couldn't be doing this many things. So there's always going to be a trade-off. You can't have it all, but that's okay. So, you know, before, and I love it because I do host pretty frequently, like let's say, you know, once a month or once every couple of months, I will host, you know, quite a few people. And in the summertime a little more often. But um, let's say in the summer too, it's gardening season. So then I'm not in the house doing projects so much. So things in here stay a little bit more together. And then the outside is where all the chaos is happening. And then in the wintertime, when I come in and go, okay, I'm gonna renovate a room, I'm gonna do a project, I'm gonna paint this. Yeah, things are gonna get crazy for a bit, but then something gets finished and then you wrap that all up. And it's just, it's like you said, it's a story, right? It's yeah, sometimes the story is messy, sometimes the story is clean. You just gotta be okay with that. And and if you want things to be perfect all the time, it's just you have to buy a New house that's totally finished, not take on a million hobbies and projects, and then have your beautifully clean organized house. And that is great. Like I have friends who that's how they live. And I love that I go to their space and like it's just always so nice here. Any day of the week, it's like a you could walk in and it's just beautiful and put together. Right. Not my house. No. Yeah. When my close friends just pop in, they're like, whoa, what's going on here? And I'm like, let me tell you about all the five things that are going on here.

SPEAKER_02 44:26

Yeah, exactly. And and that's so, I feel like that's so much more interesting and fun. And, you know, it would be fun to come see what are you working on. And yeah. So I think that that makes home one of one of the things that we've talked about previously this year is that your home, I'm just jumping on what you said. Your home should serve you. It needs to facilitate the lifestyle that you need to have.

SPEAKER_04 44:55

So absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

I I want my house to look like a magazine. I want it to be pristine and clean because, like you said, when you go to those places, that's a happy place. That can be a happy place where it's like, okay, I'm in a magazine and this is just really happy. But could I live in the room?

SPEAKER_03 45:14

But you can just have one room. Well, right. I love it. Yeah, but your living room? You just if you have your living room, let's say you keep that like my living room is generally like that's not a place where I do projects typically. Like right now, I do have greenhouse set up there because my my little grow stations, but they're behind the sofa. So the main spot when you're sitting and looking forward, right? That's always kind of together so that no matter what, like we can sit there and it feels and the and I also think the front entry to your house, if you can keep that tidy, because that's when you first walk in, it's the first thing you see. So if you have a tidy entry and one space you can relax, then I mean, if it's harvest season, my kitchen's gonna, it's not gonna be clean for weeks because things are constantly coming in. I mean, I could clean it every day and I do, but by the end of the next day, it has to be done again. Yeah. So, you know, it's uh yeah, I think I think there's periods of time where your house will be together and what and and like I said, for hosting, or let's say for the holidays, you get it all decorated and you go, okay, for the next two weeks I'm not doing projects. I'm gonna enjoy my house at the holidays. Right. And then it stays really nice. And then, you know, New Year's comes and you go, okay, well, now I'm gonna do this that I had a goal on, you know, whatever it might be. And it's okay to not have things perfect all the time. Um, and then, and but it's all like I have, like I said, some people like it perfect all the time, and that's just how they function and live well. That's your story too. So I mean, uh, but it's I don't think there's a right way, is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_02 46:49

Yeah, yeah. I I think you've given some good practical inspiration for just creating a happy place for sure. This morning I had a friend over for tea. She just pot, you know, I knew she was coming, but I had to take her to the one clean room we have, and that's where we sat and had tea. Um, but yeah, you know, that I was glad to have that one space because right now I have uh like like said, lots of projects going on. So um, so yeah, I feel like you've given me something very practical and useful for my brain that is uh, you know, helps kind of ground a workflow.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

And um well, it's so easy to think it's especially with social media, even mine. It's just so easy to to to look and go, even like on my feed, oh her kitchen's perfect, her because I'm only sharing my spaces when they're clean and tidy. Right. Because that's when they look their best. That that's like saying, and people go, well, that's then it's not real life. That's not no, because I also don't go out in my pajamas with myself all like right, right. Like when you're going to present yourself to the outside world, typically you you do your best self, right? You you put yourself together even a little bit. It doesn't matter really what I'm doing. I'm never just gonna roll out of bed and not brush my hair or my teeth and go and see people. So on social media, I feel the same way. It's like when I invite people to my home, I have it all clean because I want them to feel comfortable. And when people come to my feed on the internet, I want them to look and be inspired, not look and go like, okay, well, I don't even know what I'm supposed to be seeing here. So I think that sometimes it gets easy to think, oh, everything in their these people's houses is perfect all the time. But it's of course it's not. That's just it wouldn't make sense for me to show my dining room and my and my decor if it was all blown up, right? Like exactly. Exactly. It doesn't you wouldn't, it wouldn't show the same way.

SPEAKER_02 48:50

Right, right. Unless that is part of the process of something you're showing, like how to make this, then you would you would be showing maybe something like something in progress. But yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:02

Absolutely. But then at the end, you're gonna show it done, right? And that's and that's typically the photo that kind of becomes the front-facing photo on the feed. So if I'm painting a room and in the in the reel, I've got all of the stuff all over and I'm sanding and whatever, that's not gonna be the cover photo when you just quickly go to my feed, right? Right? Right. Because that's not what people will click on. Yeah, everyone wants to see the end result, exactly. So just keep everyone needs to just keep that in mind that when you're looking at when you go to someone else's house, you're probably seeing their best self and their best house. It doesn't mean that it's like that all the time. It doesn't mean that it's not real or that that's not, it's just a different moment in time, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:46

Yep, yep. And for me, when my house is clean, um, and again, because we travel so much, I'm not, I'm not home enough to just like dust every day or do anything. I mean, we are gone all the time. And so it's it, I feel like that makes it even harder for me to be a house person. But when I when someone comes over, I feel so much more comfortable when my house is clean. And when my house, when I of course I can relax, and then I feel like they can relax.

SPEAKER_03 50:17

And um You got to keep that in mind when you're looking online that ever if someone like feel think about that. Like, I would you want to present yourself because you feel better when you're showing your your home and yourself in its best light. So when people are sharing online, it's the same thing. It's not that there is, I don't think most people aren't trying to be like, oh, look at me, I'm so perfect all the time. It's just like, no, I really want, I want you to see me and my space at its best because that makes me feel good, right? Yeah, yeah. So just a little tweak in like the interpretation, um, and then applying that to your own life because of course you want to share your home and have your friends over when it looks the best, right? Because then you feel really good. You're like, look, because we all put so much time and effort into our homes and into our um same with our food and that. Like, you know, you set a beautiful table, you cook a beautiful recipe, you put it down, you want it to look nice, light a candle on the table. It's just so much better when you have all those, you know, little um little um like additions that make something special. Yeah, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 51:24

Well, that's making me think about like your beautiful herbs and your herb garden. And you you touched on it briefly that you have a tea garden. Tell us a little bit about the tea garden.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

Yeah, so the tea garden, well, there's the the tea garden came about, it's like a medicinal herb and and uh this one garden in my yard, the one that I said where the herbs grow the best, because it's a little bit shaded, it actually is not the greatest garden to grow other things, like you know, things that need to ripen, like tomatoes or you know, even like root vegetables that need a lot of sunlight. And so I started growing herbs in there and they just absolutely flourished. And so I I love to make tea. I love to have a ton of herbs. I actually dry almost all of the herbs that we use all year. Um, I grow them in our garden, I dry them in the fall, and then we use them all all year long till the next ones come up. And so um, tea gardens have been kind of coming up. They're, I think they're gonna be trending this year and maybe next year, where you can actually grow several different varieties of mint. Let's say there's uh pineapple mint, there's orange mint, there's chocolate mint. Like these all make the most incredibly wonderful teas. You can dry the leaves and put them into your own little tea bags. They have reusable tea bags or a little tea, they're little tea men or whatever you fill up the bottom. Or you can actually steep the fresh leaves as well as teas in the summertime. Yes. Put them into iced teas, infuse water, infuse drinks. And so I have this big garden space, which last uh two years ago I put raised um metal round garden beds, they're kind of like rectangular, sort of, into this uh, and then my herbs just grow in there and they just spill all out. It is just so beautiful. And you can go in there and just like rub your hands in the herbs, and the smell is just like incredible. And it's just like such a great summer thing to do. And then make your own teas, and then you can gift them. You can gift, you know, teas for for friends. You can bring your herbs in and tie them in little bunches and hang them around your kitchen and just have, you know, just it's just such a I don't know, just such a great way to get your hands in there and the smell and the whole five senses and how beautiful it is. And I've just been loving that. So I'll pull up a photo of my other garden. This is not my tea garden. She's showing us my beautiful wow. So this is this is where I grow tomatoes, and then I put a little table in there. And again, I feel like all of these spaces is just all of them are really to just go and be immersed in that garden space. So whether it's the tea gardens where you can walk in and walk around them, all of my gardens have little paths and space to walk that are really accessible. So you can, you know, go through the arches in my pumpkin patch and really be in. I like to, I always imagine myself like disappearing in the garden. And so that's kind of what my vibe is whenever I have all these little spots, is just a spot you can go and actually feel sort of immersed in that garden area experience.

SPEAKER_02 54:39

So I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 54:41

Tea gardens are great, and then I have cocktail gardens on the deck, and they're they're where we, if you want to make yourself a really lovely cocktail, you can grab some sage or some mint or some rosemary right off the beds that I have growing on my deck and make yourself a cocktail right there. It's really or a mocktail, of course. I mocktail in mocktail in the day and cocktail in the eve. But uh just and and I love just pulling off the leaves and like even when like my friends bring over younger kids, I'll say, you know, like here, eat this flower, like watch me eat a flower, and it's just so fun and and cool. And you know, take a leaf, chew it up, see what it tastes like. Is it like licorice? Is it you know, minty? Is it um, you know, like spicy, whatever? Just something really cool.

SPEAKER_02 55:25

I don't grow my own herbs for my tea line, but when I send the ingredients to a co-packer, they do all of the mixing, and when those boxes come in, it smells amazing.

SPEAKER_03 55:37

Oh, good, right?

SPEAKER_02 55:38

Itself smells so good. You open it and you get all of that fragrance and stuff like that. So I can imagine having just all of those herbs together. This like beautiful senses going on.

Simple Syrups For Tea And Drinks

SPEAKER_03 55:50

And then the tea for you, I mean, that's the thing is like we don't like that's a huge part too of the garden for me, is that we have winter from November till April. And so taking all of those herbs and making those teas, it just brings me back to that smell from the summer. And it's like a way of holding on to that. And so, and I buy a lot of tea as well. Obviously, like I'm not, I don't just exclusively grow. I'll go and buy all sorts of teas and you blend them together and I'll add stuff in. But when you have that cup and it's warm and it smells like that, that is just, I think it's just taking us back, like somewhere in our like caveman brain, right? To your happy place connected to the happy place. Yeah, definitely takes you to a happy place. Absolutely. It just yeah, that smells take you back like that, right? Yes. About your tea recipe. Ooh, the raspberry mint green tea. So I've got, I'll show you. So this is a raspberry mint green tea. Yeah. So basically, you make a simple syrup from raspberries, and then you take fresh mint and green tea. You can have just green tea bags and add fresh mint into the um tea infuser. So I have like a little, I'm sure you've got one of these too, where you can infuse your tea in like a teapot.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Have you seen that? And like a tea press also?

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Exactly. The tea press. I have a little tea press pot. So I put the green tea in there, the loose with which is dry, along with the fresh mint leaves and then raspberry simple syrup. And it just makes the most beautiful tea. And it's such a summer vibe. So I think it's probably good for right now because even though it's a hot tea, it still has that summery flavor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:34

Well doesn't it? That looks amazing. And that's in your book, Gather Together. Would that would that be one of your favorite teas to make, you think? Um, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 57:42

So this uh I love to do in few or um simple syrups for teas. Okay. So depending on what is uh in season. So whether it's, you know, strawberries or maybe it's when I have my here, we have choke cherries uh for in season, and they you you mix them with um basically any berry uh or any fruit, you would mix it with some water and like a half cup or a cup of sugar in a little pot and you simmer it down until it becomes kind of liquefied, and then you strain it, and then you have a simple syrup. So essentially it's like water, sugar, and whatever fruit strained. So you can actually do, let's say you're doing raspberries. I would take my raspberries with sugar and then a little bit of water, boil them into a little um saucepan, let them come to a simmer, mash them all down, and then you put that through um a strainer, and then you can add more water and sugar to kind of thin out till you have a good syrup consistency. So I talk about how to do how to do that in my book.

SPEAKER_02 58:48

Wow, amazing.

SPEAKER_03 58:50

And yeah, you can do it with any kind of flavors. In the book, I actually have blackberries that I use as a simple syrup. I do it with rhubarb, I do it with my raspberries, and then you can just add those syrups, which are then gonna be, I mean, if you're using organic fruits or things from your garden, they're organic. They have all of the good stuff that's in those berries and fruits. And then I like to keep all of the mashed parts, like everything, like it's like a compote. So all the parts that don't go into this simple syrup, I put a little uh bowl in the fridge or a little container in the fridge that will last a week. And you can use that as toppings for like waffles, for pancakes, to just really using all of the things, but having those little syrups, which will last usually two to three weeks in the fridge in a little container, a little um little syrup jar and put them in little glass jars. And then you can just add that to, you know, whatever you're drinking, whether it's a lemonade or whatever, and it's just amazing.

A Five Minute Salsa You Will Repeat

SPEAKER_02 59:46

Very, very fun. Now, our sponsor for this episode is the Hatch Chili store, and they have a really, really great salsa. So, do you have either a salsa recipe or a recipe that uses salsa in that awesome book of yours there?

SPEAKER_03 1:00:05

I sure do. So I have in my book it's a fresh and fab five-minute salsa. Love it. I love when things are easy. I love when things are simple. This salsa I use, you can see there's a ton of cherry tomatoes here. I use cherry tomatoes for it because I know so often people grow cherry tomatoes and you get to a point where you have hundreds and hundreds of them, or where at that same time that people have an overabundance, they're really inexpensive at the grocery store or at your local, you know, farmer's market. So if you get to that time of the season, that is the moment to make this beautiful five-minute salsa. So all you're gonna do is take um and add your gun, your garlic, onion. There's very few ingredients in this too. You put your garlic and your onion into a little food processor or large food processor if you're doing a whole lot, pulse that up, um, you're gonna add some jalapeno, pulse that up, then you're gonna add your tomatoes in, and you're gonna pulse another two to three times. Then you're gonna add some salt, parsley, cilantro, and pulse again for a couple of times, pour it into a bowl and serve. That's it. So that's my fresh and fab five minute salsa. We eat so much of this, and you don't have to just do cherry tomatoes. You can have any tomatoes that you want to toss in there. I just have that like cherry tomatoes in that photo because I had so many at that time. Yeah. And when you you don't know what to do with them, you can only eat them so much. For some reason, I don't know why this is, but it's the same way with mashed potatoes. You can only eat so many cherry tomatoes, but if you turn them into a salsa, you can suddenly eat like 50 tomatoes. Right. It's the same with mashed potatoes. You can only eat one potato, but if you're making mashed potatoes, suddenly you can eat like four potatoes. Right. Right. I don't know how the math works. That's how it is.

Routines That Protect Joy

SPEAKER_02 1:01:49

Yeah, for sure. Your recipe sounds super yum, but me being from New Mexico, I would get the Hatch Chili store green chilies and add that either in a digital to everything you said, or in place of the jalapenos. And our neighbor is growing some different peppers and stuff like that. So if you're if you're one, if you're a person who loves to grow different kinds of peppers, that's where you can kind of sub that out and add your flair to that awesome recipe that you'll find in Gather Together. So, Robin, we are in our H episode. So H is for haven. You've created a Haven, you've created a happy place, you have all of these herbs all over your garden. And we talked a little bit about keeping the house clean and stuff like that. But earlier in the episode, I talked about different habits for travel that help you find your happy place while you're traveling. But what would you say maybe are some habits that help you stay on track? Maybe routines or habits that really help maintain the happy place. Because I know it's a lot of work what you do. Beautiful results, but it just seems like a lot of hard work as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:59

Absolutely. So for one of the things I love to do is I have a to-do list of three things. I want to make sure that every day I'm accomplishing just three things. I might have a way longer list, but I'll have like the top three, the things that are, you know, pressing and urgent that need to get done right away. So that is one thing that I do. And then the other thing for the for the stuff that doesn't make the to-do list, the things that you just have to do every single day, that is how I just like to build in sort of my routine. So I think one of the reasons why the gardens also go in that sort of circle is that I know that I can plot my day and start at my chickens, open the coop, go to the next garden, set up my water, go to the next thing, check on what's happening, go to the next one. And once I've done that sort of round, that I know I've I've hit all of the areas and everything that I needed to check on to make sure that things are sort of set up for the day. So in the summertime, typically that's my thing. I get up in the morning, I do, I kind of, you know, go through the house, start, grab myself a coffee, and then go do my garden walk and just go check on everything. And at that point, I can sort of make notes and say, oh, I'm gonna need to pick that, or oh, I'm gonna go and need to do that, and sort of plot my to-do list. Similar thing in the wintertime when the garden isn't in full swing, or when I was writing this book, I knew, okay, I'm doing this section, I'm gonna get these, you know, this thing cooked and this thing written and these things photographed, and that's my three things because I feel like you also need time to enjoy your life. And that's why I'm I feel like would it be possible to have things perfect and everything done sooner? For sure, but I wouldn't be a happy person because I need moments of rest and moments of to appreciate. So I like to build that into my day. So if you can get every single day three things off your list, checked off, and your little, you know, the the what whatever the routine is for that time of year, whether it's the garden or whether, you know, it's January and you're doing your purge and clean of your house or it's spring cleaning or what have you. Having just that little routine where every day you start and you get things done. If you go to work, you would go to do your job, come home and be like, hey, when I get home, I I do this little walk around and see what needs to be done. Pick the three things that need to be done more urgently, get those done, and then that's it. And then enjoy your life. Because what's the point of having all of it if you're not going to take a minute and eat the food and look at the flowers, right? So I know it's really easy sometimes to get sometimes in a project, obviously you get wrapped up and you just work on it nonstop because you want to or whatever, but that becomes the rest of that moment, right? But then when you get to that point where you're like, no, I'm done, you have to be able to say, Okay, it will, everything will get finished. And as long as it's not like a living thing that needs to be fed, it can wait. Like, nothing is that urgent, but yeah, you know.

The Three Things To Do System

SPEAKER_02 1:06:00

No, that's some great perspective. I use Trello for like my to-do list right now, and you can kind of rearrange tasks and things like that and have different boards on how, you know. And so I have a these are my three things board. And I made a note. You can only put three things here underneath my title of three things. You and me are so similar. But you know what? I no, we're not because I have like ten things on my three thing list. I don't want to be good at it.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:35

You can have the ten things in a waiting list, but you need to have two lists. Yes. So I have like my list of all the things where I walk around and look, okay, I have to, you know, this needs to get stained. There's a board out of place I'm gonna have to nail on this, whatever. But only three things can go on the like today list. Right. The today must happen. Right. There's a must happen list, and there's a there's the list of the eventually's. And I like, I like to have them both in two separate places because if I and I I have it in my phone, I'll be like the night before I usually do my three things. And if I get those three things done, then I can go to the eventually list right and put, you know, move some other things on. So you want to have a running total of like all the things that need to happen. And for me, like obviously I have work. I have I work with brands and I work with campaigns and I have photography clients. So I know there's, you know, this is work, work time, my work-to-do stuff. But for like all of your house stuff, three things. That's it. You can't put more on your list or you're gonna feel like you're failing. And then when you feel like you're failing, you're not as motivated. You feel overwhelmed, and then you go, oh my god, am I gonna get all these done? Or you don't know where to start. When there's three things, it's easy. Yeah. Just pick one.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:51

Right. So would you suggest doing like maybe on the work side, three things for work, three things for home, or is it kind of like because for me, I work from home. So it all just kind of like blamed together.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:05

Yeah, see, I have I definitely have my work list because sometimes it's not just three things. Sometimes the work list is like, okay, all of this has to be done for this day, and I'm gonna spend the whole day doing that. But that means that my three list is smaller things that I can accomplish that don't have to they that aren't earning me a paycheck, right? Right. Because then it I think I feel like especially women, and I mean not to say that some guys don't have the same thing, but I feel like for women, we're often tasked with a lot more of the house and and how things go. Not just because you know, our husbands are making us or whatever. I feel like we want more things. Like I know in my mind, I want way more things done than my husband does. He does not care about the same things I do. I care if the pillows are right fluffed on the on the couch. He does not care if the couch even has pillows. So, you know, I there's a lot of pressure we're putting on ourselves to have things a certain way because we want it that way. But the work, especially for women who work outside the home, you can't feel like you're failing at home because you have a job and you're not able to do stuff all. If you're gonna garden and you have a full-time job, you can't have as many gardens as me. It's not, it's not gonna work. It's gonna be too much. So I would always encourage people who, if you're working eight hours a day outside of the home, have your garden in one spot that you can go to that spot, maybe have a few that you can meander around and do the same thing I'm doing on my big area on a little smaller scale, so that you're getting the exact same thing in a smaller scale and these little moments throughout, like you can create that on a small scale too. It doesn't have to be crazy without feeling like you're not succeeding. So, and that can be because if you're a lawyer or you're a doctor or you you run a store and you're there all day and you're doing that, that is a huge accomplishment. And that is, you know, you can't do all we no, no, you can't have it all. You can't do all the things. Right. But if you want to have that and bake or cook or host, you can pull from, you know, anything that I'm sharing that's kind of bigger and just compact it a little bit, pull some inspiration and do something on the smaller scale because it's gonna be just as rewarding. Um, and then you're not home all day blowing up your house. That that helps too.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:28

Because here, right, it doesn't stay clean. If I left, it would be clean. For us, we're coming home. We are unpacking and then packing for the next thing. So it's always crazy going.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:41

I I do not travel much because of that. Like I can't. I have too much on the go here, so I don't travel really. I might go for a weekend, but from when my seedlings start, like March, no, I'm not going anywhere. And that's just that's how I decided to set up my life because I love this spot in the summertime. I might leave for a weekend. I have sprinklers. Yeah, but I do it for that. And and if I was traveling, then yeah, I I would before I travel, I have to have my house all clean and everything done and the laundry done because when I get back, I'm one of those people who will leave my suitcase for days. 100%. Like I can't unpack. I'm like, I just forget it. Like and you want to come home. My husband will be like, are you gonna I I want to be in a clean house because I'm gonna mess it up immediately. So I want to walk into a clean place, throw down my bags, and just settle in. So I can appreciate that you're that's hard.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:39

Yeah, yeah. But you you've offered some really good practical, helpful things and inspirational things. So I really appreciate your advice and insight. And it's been really, really helpful.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:52

Thank you so much. I've loved sharing. I love to share. I appreciate coming on because I love sharing. I think sharing our stories and how we live and and all of these things just, you know, makes us all every time I hear someone else tell their story, I can pull things from that. So I love being able to tell mine too, because really we're all just doing the same kind of things, just in a different place, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:12:13

Mm-hmm. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:14

So thanks for having me because I love chatting. I love sharing anytime. And if anyone wants to follow my page or get my book or you have anything to say, I love to chat, as I'm sure you can tell. So don't be shy to reach out. I am happy to hear from people all the time.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:29

Love it. Well, we will put your information in our show notes so that people can find it there. But for those just listening, do you want to share kind of the main go-to for people to find you?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:41

So I am known as Life of Glow. So it's life underscore of underscore glow on pretty much all social platforms. You can just Google that or look it up on Instagram or Facebook or threads, what have you, and find me that way. Or PrairieGlowacres.com is my website. Uh, and then my book is gathered together, and that is available everywhere books are so sold right now.

Hometown Comfort And New Mexico Flavor

How Hatch Chile Store Began

SPEAKER_02 1:13:05

Love it. It's a beautiful book, beautiful Instagram page. And I just I love the beauty and the aesthetic that you create. It's very inspirational. So thank you so much, and thank you for sharing all of your H things about a happy place and herbs and habits. And I just really appreciate you. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, Robin. That was really fun conversation with you. And it's really fun to talk about our happy place. And for a lot of folks, their happy place is their hometown. So here we want to talk about H is for hometown and things that like traditions that we might find in our hometown. And one of those things for me is H is for hatch, green chilies, red chilies, and all of that stuff. And so, my hometown, if you listen to our previous episode, you heard us talk about Slap Ya Mama and where Rory grew up in Cajun Town. Well, he married a New Mexico girl. And so a lot of our cooking ends up getting like a lot of slap your mama type stuff and this like all of this green chili, red chili stuff. And sometimes they mix, sometimes we just go one route or go the other. But when I talk about, so Rory got his hometown shout out in the previous episode, but we're shouting out to my hometown in this episode. And I grew up in Albuquerque, New Mexico, and one of my favorite places to eat, one of my happy, my happy place in Albuquerque is Sadies of New Mexico restaurant. Y'all, I can't eat Sadie's of New Mexico restaurant when I live in Texas and traveling all the time and not being in Albuquerque. And so that is the whole concept of why we're doing Rome to home. How can I bring Sadie's home? I'm sure we'll talk more about Sadies in a future episode. And you can get Sadie's salsa. So that's fun. You can find it. I'm now finding it in Walmart. And so they have fun salsa. I it's good. I think it's even better in the restaurant. So you just need to go to Albuquerque and taste it for yourself. But y'all, there's so much more to New Mexican cuisine than salsa. And you really need your green chili and your red chili. And this is just a whole thing that is kind of a must-have with my hometown cooking. And so, and usually at when I lived in Albuquerque, we never cooked at home because we would just go to the restaurant. Like my mom rarely ever cooked. If she cooked, it was like normal American food. And then the rest of the time we ate out. We ate out a lot and we just went to our favorite Mexican places. And so that's just kind of how you do it. When it's there, you just go eat it from the real people. But now that I don't live there, I got to figure out a way to make it at home and to enjoy those hometown flavors and those New Mexico traditions in my own home. So before we end this episode, I have to share with y'all this really fun brand, the Hatch Chili Store. Y'all, you can go there and find all of these New Mexico products that are going to make your cooking enhanced and wonderful and delicious and beautiful. And so I have with me Pam Raoul, who is going to share with us. She is with the Hatch Chili Store. Pam, thank you for being here. Oh, thank you for letting me. It's great to have you. I would love to just hear a little bit. Let's start with a background of Hatch Chili Store because not only are you an online store, but you also have your own brand of products. And so would love to hear about your history behind that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:46

The owner of our company is Preston, and he he started the Hatch Chili Store when he was a teenager. His grandparents had a farm that raised chili. They were his grandparents were third generation hatch chili farmers. So Preston is the fifth generation, but he saw his grandparents really struggling to make ends meet with chili, with farming, because everybody loved chili, but they didn't have a way to get it out. And when he was in high school, the internet was coming on strong. So he thought, why not let's put it on the internet? So that's what he did when he was, they were in Montana on a fishing trip. And he decided, he told his grandfather, he said, if you'll buy me a computer, I will start this. And so he did. He started it in high school. He would actually, between classes, he would check his email to find out orders and do all that kind of stuff. And then he started roasting his own chili in their yard. And then he would sell that chili to people at his school when he got to college to people at the university. And so he started that business that way. And I don't remember the numbers, but the first year he didn't sell much at all. But by the second year, it had more than doubled and it has just gone considerably every year since. Um we're an online store only. We don't have a retail outlet anymore. Our facilities, we do have plenty of facilities, but they're not open to the public because we have packing facilities, we have our production facilities, and so those are not open to the public, but we want to make sure that we can get everybody across the United States their hatch chili products. So we started out with roasted chili. This past year we started out, we wanted to do our own line of jarred salses and sauces. And so we started that and it was so much fun. We worked on that in our kitchens here. My family loved doing it because we tried so many recipes for so many things, trying to get everything just right. We wanted that traditional family taste, but we had to, you know, make it so that we could produce it. And so we finally have done that. Currently, we have four products that are ready to go, five products that are ready to go, that are actually on our website. We have three more that will be out in the next few weeks. Preston. His grandmother just turned 80 last week, and so she and I did a lot of cooking days together and got the recipe all perfected. And so it was a lot of fun. It's a fresh red that's coming out soon. And I'm a fresh red chili sauce, red chili sauce. Yeah, yeah. Oh, and we have a roasted red that's coming out in a few weeks, and then we have a red and green blend, Christmas blend that's coming out in a few weeks.

unknown 1:19:25

Yeah.

Frozen Chile Salsas And Easy Meals

SPEAKER_01 1:19:26

I know it's kind of exciting. So we've we've added so many new things since I started that it's been so much fun to be a part of. Yay! We are so excited with how it's growing. Now, the ones that you go, we have roasted green chili. That one you can just open it up. We do suggest you heat it up. You can pour it over your burgers, you can put it in just about any recipe because it's our it's already roasted, chopped, and ready to go. We have a hatch chili salsa that's very good. And that one has tomatoes, it has onions and garlic. It's really good. You can eat it with your chips, you can add it to recipes. And we also have the sauce, which you can just dump that right over your enchiladas, and it's ready to go. The newest one we have is our sun-dried red. And the sun-dried red. Drink it out of the jar. It's just so good. It's that's we all say the same thing. We can heat it up and drink it out of a cup because it's that good. It's just it's been a lot of fun to grow. And then we do have the two chili powders you show. We have a green chili powder and a red chili powder. So when chili is first on the vine, it's green, and that's where most people have seen it and it grows. That's where we ship it to grocery stores. Um, people all over the country buy it, uh, take it home and roast it and get it ready for the you know, for the rest of the year. We ship it directly to consumers too. We have thousands of customers. We ship five, 10, and 25-pound boxes of hatch green chili all over the United States. We start mid-July and we go through mid to end of October. We do green chili, mild, medium hot and extra hot. And then in the end of September, after the first cold snap comes, we get the red chili. And that red chili is the best. I don't know about you. I don't I love the red chili. I like green chili too, but uh there's something about the red.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:14

So I will I'll jump in here that growing up in Albuquerque, basically, when you're at a restaurant, you know, you give your order your enchiladas or whatever, and then they just say red or green. Right or green. They don't explain what that means. It's just understood you're gonna know red or green means red chili or green chili. Right. If you want both, then you say Christmas. And the tradition from of my parents was always their their answer to the question, red or green, my parents would say which is hotter, or which one is more mild. And so it would depend on the day, and the the waiter or waitress would tell you, okay, today, if you want more mild, go with the green. If you want the hotter, go with the red. So it can vary, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:04

It can vary. It really can. And if based on the weather, the chili that you get may be entirely different this year than it was last year. If you get the same, you may order the same heat levels and we may ship you the same variety, but it's gonna taste different because of the growing conditions. But our growing conditions here make the chili so much better than any other green chili you're gonna find anywhere else because we have the cold nights, warm days, we don't get a lot of rain, but it's just the perfect growing conditions for hatch chili.

SPEAKER_02 1:22:35

I love it. So basically, a red chili is just a green chili that is still maturing.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:41

Yes, it's been left on the vine. Yeah, I do know that in jalapenas, they have a green jalapeno, they have a yellow. So that those are different on those, I know. Oh, like different uh varieties. A different variety would have a different color. Okay. Okay. But for us, we start out with green and then toward the harvest time, I mean toward the fall, a lot of people will call it a harvest blend. Toward um the end of September, you start getting your chili, will have a mix of green, and maybe there'll be some red on some of the green. And some people love that. They call it the Christmas blend or the autumn blend. Really, really like that. Yeah.

Ordering Fresh Hatch Green Chile

SPEAKER_02 1:23:19

So and that's why here's just a little side note and a personal plug. If y'all know that I have loose leaf tea, my I my Albuquerque tea is both red and green Roybas teas. And then my Albuquerque Christmas is red and green Roy boss teas plus red cinnamon and green mint. And so I call it Albuquerque Christmas because it's the Albuquerque plus additional red and green. So it translates that whole concept has just that's another way that I've brought my hometown and my traditions home to like my businesses and stuff. Yeah, that's cool. Thank you. So, yeah, that would be so fun to get some Christmas blend chilies from y'all. So that and that's so cool. We can get fresh produce from you if we order it between July and September.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:12

So we actually start selling it in January because we have so many hatchheads, so many diehards. They want to be the first in line to get their chili. So we have thousands of people that start ordering in January. They ordered through January and then we start shipping in July. We ship whichever heat level comes in first, and then um people reorder all throughout the season. Like I have some customers that order every week during the season. We pick your chili on Wednesday morning and we ship your chili Wednesday afternoon. And then we suggest you do overnight shipping, but based on where you are, you may be able to do two-day. So typically you've got your chili on Thursday or Friday, you're ready to roast it over the weekend, and you're all set.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:57

That is amazing. Now, if we can't get the fresh from you, you also have the frozen option where those are already roasted. And so that can stay in your freezer, pull it out when you need it.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:12

It's good in your freezer for a couple of years. So they come in five-pound boxes. You get five one-pound packages in each box. You get about eight to ten in a pound. I said you whole chilies to try out because to me, whole is so much more versatile because you can stuff it and make your own rillanos. You can do strips and fry them to put on your burgers, which are delicious. You can chop them up and put them in any recipe. Our website has hundreds of recipes on them for hatch green chili. So lots of things you can do with it. But we do have frozen, a lot of people don't want to go to the trouble of doing their own roasting and peeling because it does take a little bit of time, but it's it's not hard. It's simple to do. You don't have to have a roaster. I do mine on a black stone. Um you can do it even in your air fryer or on a you know, in a skillet, whatever. So it's super easy to do.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:06

But now on the frozen side, you also have tamales, rellentos, you have chili st green chili stew. So I have to tell you my story. Chimichongas. Chimichongas. Awesome. Awesome. Okay. That was one of my favorite dishes uh growing up in Albuquerque, it was chimichonga. Okay, so the other day Rory was trying to make, he had some beef that he was trying to make a stew, and like he was home with his mom, and she's a great cook, and she tried to kind of like chime in while he was making it, but like it just didn't turn out well at all. Like, they were like, this is so lame, super lame. And so, anyway, Roy and I brought the leftovers home, and I was like, Rory, you have never had green chili stew. And I don't I'm vegetarian now, so I haven't had green chili stew since I was probably like nine or ten. It was not a normal thing that we had growing up, but I remember loving green chili stew, like so good. And I was like, Rory, you need to have green chili stew. Let's see if we can doctor your failure and like I'll make you a green chili stew. So give me that leftover. So basically, I don't know what I'm doing, right? And so I just took his leftovers and I put all these green chilies in it. That was basically my solution. And um, yeah, he but it was so much better. He's like, it is so much better and so good, but it's still like, don't you use more like wouldn't it be traditionally you would use pork?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:43

Pork, yeah.

Chile Powders And New Seasonings

SPEAKER_02 1:27:44

Pork, potatoes, um, green chili. Yeah. So I mean, we're starting off with the wrong meat, taking it in the wrong direction anyway from the get go. But so when I saw that y'all had green chili stew, I was so excited because I Don't have any kind of recipe. You know, like I said, we didn't grow up cooking this stuff. We grew up going out to eat this stuff. And so green chili stew was kind of a treat. And so I I was really excited that that that's an option that you have. And so Rory has tasted your green chili stew. He said it's so good. And it's just, it's just really fun that you have something from my hometown and my traditions that like makes me so happy. Like that I can say, Rory, try this. Now you can enjoy what I grew up on. So that's good. So it's really fun. And so yeah, so you have frozen options that that's really great for just being on the go. Like that's another, that's another reason we're sharing this company with y'all is because we know, like us, you guys are always on the go. And you need something that's going to be happy and convenient, but still tasty and still wholesome and healthy and all of that good stuff. And so, like their jarred sauces and salsas are really clean and just really nice. And this powder, Pam, green chili red chili powders. What? I have never heard of that until I saw you saw it on your website. Is is this like a new concept, or am I just like, have I been out of it?

SPEAKER_01 1:29:16

Because we never caught it. I honestly don't know. I've been here for three years and we've we've had them. But if you in a in about six weeks, we're gonna have three new powder products. We're gonna have a taco seasoning, a green chili seasoning, and a red chili seasoning, and they're delicious. I can hardly wait for them to hit the market.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:33

So you know, your your next one's gonna be Christmas, of course.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:37

So well, the taco seasoning is a mix, so the taco is kind of a Christmas one. I should probably call it Christmas. Taco Christmas, Christmas tacos.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:47

So, but y'all, what this this is basically, you know, like I said, we just did slap your mama seasonings, right? So you're thinking powder, you're thinking like sprinkle this on your food. That's what they have. They have green chili powder and red chili powder, and you can this is so exciting. And I don't know how I will not be able to like not have this in my life now that I know about it, you know? Like every meal. This is just gonna go on the table, just like salt and pepper. You've got your green chili and your red chili, and it's just gonna go on everything and just oh, love it. It's good that way. You're my new best friend.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:28

Hey, I'm so glad. Telling you, I'm telling you. But you can put green chili in anything. It's so funny. I started doing the recipes for up here, and my my my son-in-law's favorite recipe that I do that I just added green chili to piggias in a blanket. There you go. Right now it's like, can you it's every haul, every party, can you make pigs in a blanket? And he doesn't want the plain ones anymore. So Right. Just add green chili to everything, it makes it better.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:56

You right, agreed, agreed. And y'all, if y'all, if y'all have not grown up around green chili or you haven't used them, what is really fun about green chilies is they are generally not fry your head off chilies. They are, and especially maybe what you might buy in a store like in a jar or something like that, it might tell you mild or medium. If you really want the hot, you need to go to the hatch chili store and get your hot and your very hot. What did you extra hot? Extra hot. Extra hot. So you can't you can get different kinds of levels, but as a rule, green chilies are kind of more mild and they're full of flavor. So it's more about the flavor than it is the heat. And they just bring out this delicious loveliness. Right. In my opinion.

SPEAKER_01 1:31:42

They're good. All right. Um we have good customer service. You know, we want we have the website, and then, you know, if you have any questions at all, we do our own, we ship. Um, oh, if you order from us and you get frozen, your shipment will come from either New Jersey or California, and that's gonna surprise you. But that's the way we do our distribution centers. We have one on each side of the country. So a lot of people will go, but this is supposed to be New Mexico chili. I promise it is. It's grown there, prepared there. We just have to ship it to other places. But everything else is shipped from right here in the valley. So all right, and where are where are y'all based? Our office is in Las Cruces, but all of our chili is grown in Hatch, and all of our the roasting and all of the Rihanna's tamales, all of that is made in Deming, which is still just right outside the Hatch Valley.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:34

So all of those New Mexico facilities are taking all the crops and making it into yumminess for us. Exactly. Well, Pam, thank you so much for your time and your expertise, and we are excited to see what you have in store. And, you know, y'all, depending on when you're listening, all the new products she's mentioned might already be on the shelves. So uh make sure you just check out their website. Do you want to share how can people find you on their website and socials?

Shipping Details And Hatch Certification

SPEAKER_01 1:33:05

So our website is hatch green dash chili.com. And then if you just type in hatch green chili, you'll get several locations, but always find the one that says Hatch Chili store because that's us. And we're gonna make sure that you're well taken care of. And if you do socials or hatch green chili. Okay, so at Hatch Green Chili. So we have we're actually in a couple of different logo programs. We're all part of the Hatch Chili Association, which our owner is part of the board of directors for that, because too many people were saying they were using Hatch Chili and it really wouldn't be Hatch Chili. And so to be a part of the Hatch Chili Association and use the logo, the one that's on your thing that's the red and black one on your products that you have, you have to prove that your chili is grown here in Hatch Valley and all the way through when it's processed. Everything has to be approved all the way through. That's awesome. We want to make sure it's the real deal.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:56

So that's awesome that you have that certification, but you also have a very cool logo on your products. And we want to thank New Mexico, Taste the Tradition, and their logo program with the New Mexico Department of Agriculture, who is sponsoring this episode along with you guys. And so I I really appreciate them and their efforts. They also have grown with tradition, and you probably fall under both of those because not only are you growing produce in New Mexico, but you're also creating products.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:29

Do I have that right? And they're great because it either has to be grown or produced here in New Mexico. You have to use New Mexico Chili. They they monitor everything to make sure that it's grown in this area that it's in New Mexico, it's produced here, everything is good. They help us with advertising, they help us get our name out to other places when we go to like produce shows and that kind of thing. They help us with that. They have other opportunities. So it's great to be a part of that.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:54

Yeah. So thank you so much to not only Pam U with the Hatch Chili store, but also to the New Mexico Department of Agriculture and their taste of tradition and grow with tradition and what they're offering and how they're helping keep New Mexico food out there and keeping us happy and taking us to our happy place.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:19

Thank you.

Final Thanks And Where To Follow

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